and harbaugh i think -- john, was-the-safety coach or something? >> he was the defensive back field coach and a special teams coach. special teams coach for the philadelphia eagles and he spent one year as a defensive back field coach because he wanted to be a head coach in the n.f.l., he was frustrated and wasn't getting an opportunity as a special teams coach. charlie, i think this is the story of a little engine that could guy, john harbaugh, who was never handed anything in his life and basically he had to work for every coaching opportunity he had. even though his dad was the head coach of western connecticut and so i mean he knew football, he was in the game. he was never handed anything. he had to work for everything he got and i'm not saying jim didn't, but jim harbaugh was an outstanding college player, a first round draft choice in the n.f.l., a quarter back for mike ditka. a quarterback for a long time in the n.f.l. so he had the road paved for him a little bit better than john did. now, if you tell jim that he's a silver spoon guy he'll